Know Your Enemy: Leaving MAGA Behind

Know Your Enemy: Leaving MAGA Behind

Matt and Sam talk to writer Pedro L. Gonzalez about his break with MAGA and the New Right.

Know Your Enemy is a podcast about the American right co-hosted by Matthew Sitman and Sam Adler-Bell. Read more about it here. You can subscribe to, rate, and review the show on Apple Podcasts and Stitcher, and receive bonus content by supporting the podcast on Patreon.

When people break with MAGA, most of them walk away and don’t look back, whether out of shame or fear or both. So it’s a rare thing to talk with someone willing to describe publicly why they joined the Trump movement, what life was like on the inside, and the reasons they left—but it’s just such a conversation we have for you today, with writer and former New Right firebrand Pedro L. Gonzalez. Enjoy.

Sources:

Pedro L. Gonzalez, The Right Lost the Culture War, and America, Contra (2026)

— Trump Demands the Worst of Us, Contra (2026)

— Why the New Right Can’t Quit Conspiracy Theories, Contra (2025)

— Welcome to Hell, Contra (2025)

— Gen Z’s Flight From Trump, Contra (2025)

James Burnham, The Machiavellians (1943)

Sam Francis, Beautiful Losers (1993)

Michael Anton, The Flight 93 Election, Claremont Review of Books (2017)

Matthew Doyle, Rising Conservative Influencer Pedro Gonzalez Regularly Espoused Racist and Anti-Semitic Sentiments in Private Messages, Breitbart (2023)